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Nesting levels of intention
singular?
if transpires is a result of coherence
Buttoleneck we have very poor means of even articulating intentions
individually let alone co-laboratively
Capacity for symmathesy Mutual Learing is key


communication of interdependency
mutual arising
https://twitter.com/TrailMarks/status/1455809360966389771

recursive, fractal nature of
https://hyp.is/lxIozit0EeufJSNF6E-4BQ/docdrop.org/video/7hyct4vgK4U/
understand
relational
as subjects of human attention relations are related to
coummunication and their provenance and growth iof mutual learning minds and externalized MindMeld
the Life of the Mind
system
does not communicate
of simultaneous learning
multilayered shifting through time
verb
noun
Mutual Learning in a Living system
person and collective learning?
life of the mind?
10 years later
going
It is not semantics
we need Mutual learning Trails
TrailBlazers for Human InterIntellect Aumentation
Indy Learning commons
Symmathesy
Symmatheticist in the medium of Softwrae
Let People do it All For Themeselves
Knowledge Commons
is an ide that deeply resonates with me
I prefer the term Mutual Learning (Symmathesy)
or Open Leaarning Commons
and vernturing to create the Indy (Mutual) Learning Commons
Will be rading and annotating with great interest
The focus is not on content creation and management
but articulation/formulation of ideas externalization of human peron-first interpersonal intellect individually and co-laboratively scaling autonomous Human Mutual Learning symmathesy sacling significance, salient synthesis and reach
InterPersonal Mutual Learning
Symmathesy
Software is a Symmathetic Generative Conversation conversence about and for augmenting human capacity for mutual learning and co-lab-oration augmenting human capacity for consolience
Here to do How we understand ourselves in the world around us, that's like the central human
task. Like that's that's what we're here to do is to figure that out and to act accordingly.
understand to be understood
Loce to be Loved
Amour Mundi
cultivate an interest in the things u must do
Learn what u need to Learn and Learn It
Symmathesy mutual learning
Symmatheticist in the medium of Software
we all are
Software design and development is a Symmathetic conversation not just in but through the medium of software
another
.neologism of the day
or
reimagining/extending the Mathematical concept of the Graph, beyond Hyper Graphs, so that it becomes a more expressive, capable, like Prolog did for Logic, do that for graph based organization of information and even beyond that,
All the important things that matter for computation had been abstracted away,
but our focus is the dual, interested in effective, nay affective constructs that can accomplish
something that is the closes one can get to Practical Magic in the medium of software and human2human and Human2computer interactions
representation/medium for managing/capturing complexity
nonlinear content in conPlexes
Symmathesy in the medium of Software
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intentional dreamer in the medium of software
software is a symmathetic conversation in the medium of software
I would say symmanthesys where learning and weaving meaning and knowing supported by reasonable articulation of intention to the point of being real-ized in working sotware
all this merge in a Symmantehsys Universalis not to be accomplished by any one man
As Descartes wrote about his of Mathesis Universalis


Symmathesy
interoperability is not enough, This is viewing computer systems, the Universal Machines apart from the People the Universal Users. We forget that all these systems are supposed to serve us Humans not the other way round. We need to focus on human needs and capabilities first. Team human.
what is needed is inter-play-ability
Humans, Language Methods Artifacts and Tools! not Training in a mutual arising flows
so the concept should involve the mutual arising capabilities that are capable to augment in holonic way people documents and affordances together wo we have evergreen coevolutionary InterPersonal InterPlays
From this sweet spot view point that is just above the threshold of what is truly required everything just falls into place and anyone can figure out how to get there just follow its own reasonable logic to make it real
Many people are already working on it. Some call it Web4 or MAP - Memetic Activation Alatform. We call it the IndyVerse, the IndyWeb and IndraNet.work Spaces
One thing is common, that it all needs to be Open, Commons Based, Peer Produced scaling Autonomy, Trust, Reach Synthesis and Symmathesy (mutual Learning) and Augmenting Human InterIntellect.
Recognizing that Software is a Symmathetic conversations in the long tail of the Internet
https://hypothes.is/a/8F3DPCysEfCgqbsf-L70nw
The way 1 formulate/conceptualizes a problem delineate the space of conceivable solution.. If 1 finds the problem not to be ameanable to satisfying solutions 1 may need to re imagine reformulate the problem shift the focus to a wider scope perhaps
Peer to Peer trust is important but perhaps it needs to be anchored in a broader conceptualization
But how do we Scale Trust and Reach simultanously as we scale symmathesy nutual learning for Synthesis
Let the our understanding grow thorugh symmathesy and drive the autopoietic
means that let us evolve emergent solutios guided bu with the growth of understanding
Symmathesy
Hey @ConsilienceProject what would you all do if you had control of the Media? Ever ask that question? What kind of Consent do you want to Manufacture.
We are on the SamePage again
Your question articulates my tacit misgivings.
We are working to reclaim and extend ARC OHS DKR And it's Launch Community at a level that is required. Would like to send you an invite soon if you have the bandwidth
People that belong together need to grow together.
Will send you a reply here if you respond positively
Our mission is Augmenting Human InterIntellect local first Individual first Symmathesy in SymmAutopoietic systems
for - distributed social application
to create the Indy Learning Commons
so that we can start symma-theetic/autopietic conversations about the way we can shape our tools to shape the way we can engage in
improving our ability to improve our "mutal collaboration cpabilities"
first.blikk
as you attempt to augment knowledge graphs
with a view to be able to track its co-evolution make comparisons, updates, refactor, regestalt etc
1 would discover that Graphs as a means of organizing knowledge is not enough
the widely used subject predicate object triples provide a tesselation that is not as expressive and powerful that we need
it is not a wuestion of representation but morphic intentional presentation nd articulating contexts
secondly it is not knowledge that we need to be able to manage
but symmathesy mutual learnings
see IndyPlex, Universail Hyper Topic Plexes and Maps
>>> I was doing a search on autopoiesis
including universal virtual
trailmarks is not just
MUTUAL ARISING of networked people and digital info communicationation and infrastructure for long term symmathesy and the growth of knowing interpersonal inter extellect
This is the closest articulation I encountered including th need to merge Poppers's World 3 which is THE SYMBOLOSPHERE (NOT OBJECTIVE BUT EXTERNALIZED ITER INTELELCT) AND pLANYI'S CONCEPT OF pERSONAL kNOWING
>> update WikiNizer was envisioned as a vehicle of personal knowledge work that is federated in and anchored in conceptipedia a federated gobal concept space
ten yeas later we are going interpersonal multiplayer autononomous collaboration
symmathesy Open Mutual Learning Commons
all while search engines are deteriorating in quality we need less second brains more collectively curated knowledge Networks
Actually co-curated mutual learning networks Symmathesy

4 Ps for Cultivating Creativity Lifelong kindergarten
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not just part but
there could be a whole class of universal hyperdocument formats that can be used to specify and generate and process them all in meaningful intentional ways
But hat would not be the semantic sphere but the intentional sphere for symmathesy
Interpersonal
To get to this moment in the document, Engelbart had struggled past many requests for just such clever tricks. People around him imagined that computing would make this thing faster, that thing more comprehensive, that other thing more automatic. What people couldn't imagine was that computing could, if understood and used wisely, lead to a way of life in an integrated domain that could be more mindful and potentially more humane. A human-computer symbiosis that could be a greater force for good than we had yet seen. And sometimes that is indeed what has happened. And sometimes, spectacularly, not.
Nowadays, with deep digital and network literacies apparently on the decline, it seems that surveillance capitalism has become a nightmare inversion of the integrated domain. While most of us live our fragmented digital lives full of clever tricks that help in particular situations, sinister people who think largely about integrated domains engineer our entrapments, not the liberations Engelbart envisions here.
All the more reason to rewind to 1962 and read this remarkable document together.
Nowadays, with deep digital and network literacies apparently on the decline
What is the evidence for that? It strikes me that if judicious tags were in play, through a tag cloud, that's a subquest can federate with this one.
Now we are well and truly intertwingled. It took me a moment to work out that Gardener is not Gardner.
Hi, Jack!
Indeed! The Hypothes.is client should be known as The Intertwingler or something like that.
Pleasure being in conversations with you.
Hi Jack
The IndyNet/Web/Lab
that helps me scaling synthesys on the margins
in the context when I find something of salient and relevant I write edown the ideas that they relate to
in the full knowledge and expectation that soon
all tht would be surfaced automatically as I write not just to think but with a purpose
the Indy Learning Commons, indeed
getting close to launching a Launch Community
https://indy.trailmarks.co/ipfs/QmXxyw8fkG3j7esPRAmQC6pv3KydobAEfckJNppKMpmxdF/indy-2023-08-15/hyp/facet/aiframe.html?params=%7B%22user%22%3A%22%22%2C%22group%22%3A%22all%22%2C%22url%22%3A%22%22%2C%22wildcarduri%22%3A%22%22%2C%22tag%22%3A%22%22%2C%22any%22%3A%22Engelbart%20conceptual%20Framework%22%2C%22max%22%3A%2250%22%2C%22service%22%3A%22https%3A%2F%2Fhypothes.is%22%2C%22exactTagSearch%22%3A%22false%22%2C%22expanded%22%3A%22true%22%2C%22addQuoteContext%22%3A%22false%22%2C%22format%22%3A%22html%22%2C%22separate_replies%22%3A%22false%22%2C%22groupName%22%3A%22All%22%2C%22sortBy%22%3A%22recency%22%7D
social search + socail annotations + interest based interpersonal social networks = Mutual Learning Commons
symmathesy!

for
reformulate for Indyweb
Scaling synthesis by connecting
for nurturing systemic wisdom commons
instead of worrying that
Artificial Intelligence will soon come to
dominate and govern the human world,
let us think of how it could help the human being to
// harness emergent Artificial Intelligence
memetic engines
where as what we need is
see
we need : class-free objects

not dependency injection
// this applies to information per se leading to
given that we have a concept that is best referred to
as in-formation that flows in emergent human trust networks
that we fashion for ourselves as human being articulating our Tacit awareness
scaling synthesis recapitulating in the ontogeny of learning the filogeny of co-evolving emergent knowledge as hyperknowledge
scaling reach through time with the ability to find through global search work that mathces our current focal awareness and attention
in stigmergic symmathesy (mutual learning)
in a form that allows interpersonal sharing
to in-form and shape US

shape our evolutionary path
bond cooperativ I-spaces, without binding us
technology in service of life
adopt
invert
scaffold
ratchet
foster
// intertwingled propositiojnal trailmarked plexes
is something like an
inexhaustible to us and so i take it that the ultimate source of realness is some kind of
// mark the salient rhyme and reason
for
// trail cards

work with - partners to
The opportunity
this way is rare and valuable 🤝
/ resonate with vision task and mission of
There is more to knowing/learning that can be dreamt of in a semantic conceptualization of the task
Not to mention that it is not knowledge base we need in the first place
It symmathesy
https://hyp.is/y15NwLH-Ee2Upw-thChvcQ/nosweatshakespeare.com/quotes/famous/there-are-more-things-in-heaven-and-earth/
We call it Open (Mutual) Learning Commons or commons-based, peer prodduced, Autnonomous Stigmergic Symmathesy scaling synergic synthesis and articulation
Use Trailmarks notation to weave your own conceptual framework around your interests and thought vectors in your own concept space.
Then engaghe in conversations and collaboration in m aking them communicable if nbot commensurate, or be able to highlight the fundamental points of divergence in view points.
!- goal : IndyWeb
Everything is a conversation. Symmathesy mutual learning
Software is an Intentional conversation about Intents, with the intent of creating machine support for whatever wee need
We are working to create that new cosmology of Intentional Software on/as the InterPersonal Web we call the IndyWeb, built on top of the Web3 "Convergence Stack "IPFS and other decent(ralized) tech
!- concept : wiki to 'go viral'
!- combine : Fedwiki - with: IndyThreads - on the :IndyWeb

We need to build systems for Augmenting Human Intellect. http://1962paper.org/web.html#annotations:1i1anAwMEeutPrtso0kK7w To realise Engelbart's Dream debuted 60 years ego
Need to figure out how we can "improve the intellectual effectiveness of the individual human being" and build a People Centred internet, the IndyWeb, that works for the people by the people
where each individual can be their own autonomous hub, empowered to weave their own networks of people ideas and pursuits, to engage in deep conversations, mutual learning for the benefit of participants, in trusted but verifiable networks of evergreen Autonomous Ambient Digital Spaces through which all can experience the Web as an extension of their Minds. Create an Open Learning/Doing Commons where
ideas can self-organize, contextualized, their growth is recapitulable and attributable with full provenance not only of contributions but sharing, accelerating co-evolution for Symmathesy.
This way Augmented Human Identity will take care of itself.

Backus's work alongside John Allen's Anatomy of Lisp book discussing Syntax Directed Translation, and Abelson and Sussman's Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs inspired my PhD on "Language-Oriented Programming in Meta-Lisp" at Leeds University.
Revisiting this paper allows me to articulate on the margin the ideas relating to a revival of Simomnyi;s intentional software, based on the recognition that Software is a conversation about intents and a matter of Mutual Learning Symmathesy.
The original motivation for managing complexity by maintaining referential transparency and intellectual manageability over the past two decades, inspired by the works of Douglas Engelbart, Ted Nelson, Alan Kay and Ward Cunningham, evolved into the recognition of the need to developing means that augment the intellectual effectiveness of the individual human being and bootstrap collaboration co-creation of co-evolution of man-computer symbiotic systems.
To the extent that Philosophy's self image is that it is but footnotes to Plato (please insert your all time favourite philosopher of the day, I would say Hegel)
Then clearly the best way to go about doing philosophy must be writings on the margins of the greats and crate new synthesis to which all amounts to. do that in a self-hosting conversations that are continuous, without being synchronous, evergreen, permanent, always re-sumable reusable, remixable re-volutioable, learnable mutual learning symmathesy
universal reuse is an impossibility
reuse like use is situated pick an adjacent existing delivered use case
instead need to intentionalize conceptualize
symmathesize #Symmathesy Mutual Learning
common "use cases" and do that in a form that is amenable to be tinkered reused and repurposed for future purposes intents as they arise
in any situation there are core intents that are universal
ensure that "data" is captured along with the means of supporting those intents across all conceivable "constellations" for provisioning
ranging from local first, personal first, to in house closed silos to global interplanetary scales open or closed, taking into account delivery platforms desktop mobile metaverse whatever

https://hyp.is/xb0pkOoSEeyRaQudeRD78g/www.linkedin.com/posts/alanmorrisontoday-i-attended-a-thought-provoking-conversation-activity-6940722530403983360-fCeE/?utmsource=linkedinshare&utmmedium=memberdesktopweb
This is an ambition like Descartes' Mathesis Universalis
not to be accomplished by any one man,
And in fact what we are after is a n engine for
https://indylab-2022.fission.app/hyp?symmathesy

communal values
symmathesy
An exploration of the different ways people think could be a really cool and positive tool for evolving toward greater compassion for one another.
Yes compassion for one another. mutual learning Symmathesy https://indylab-2022.fission.app/hyp?symmathesy
discourse graph
human synthesys
effective synthesis
prudent move to avoid stating synthesis of what, clearly knowledge won't do, even understanding is too limited. Symmathesy would be broad and appropriate enough but intoducing the concept itself is non -trivivila just saying mutual learning mway not suffice
holding together
4 IndyWeb
name it
the word matters
narrowing our ability

beyond Semantics: Mutual Learning symmathesy
and it ceased to be a semantic angine it will be an angine for symmathesy
meaning/intent/salience
ideas as in ...
Semantic is just a deeply limiting conception
More important is Symmathesy (mutual learning) and articulating your tacit subsidiary awareness by capturing the insistent intent
connections as we write right on the page where we are writing to think and link
ex(plicate!ternalize) your indyvidual intellect share and collaborate to form externalization of commons based peer produced inter intellect
Add in line plain text mark in notation we call TrailMarks the mark the trails in your thinking with contextualizing clues, listicles of content and other clues. (add in line clues using TrailMarks mark
The above has been more aspirational at the time then delivered. We did not have the words for it, but we were aiming to support (Mind)Graph based open research, mutual learning commons: symmathesy. WikiNizer Research had worked well in a Personal context. The Graph Model only supported propositional trails. Having experimented with turning this paper into propositional trails taught us that is just not the way togo. Needed instead to figure out how to capture and co-evolve salience and deep provanance in HyperMaps of Meaning, that are the territory of emergent inter extellect that can augment inter inter intellect. Realized that we need to go beyond that.
Needed to invent a new way of conceptualizing graphs as MindGraph by designing a new mark-in notation we call TrailMarks a way to in-notate HTML Hypermedia to create and trails of all kinds: annotation, presentation, effective conceptualizations, intents and anything else any cone think of that serves their purpose

beter still
a place for mutual learning symmathesy">symmathesy

symmathesy
networked learning environments
from LinkedIn comment epicycles of annotations upon comments and annotations
At the Edge of Knowl'edge
Human Interbeings inter(Articulate|pret) Tacit Awareness loitering with Intent

Symmathesy
John Alan in the Anatamoy of Lisp wrote: The advantage of high level languages is
rather than
what this leads to if you take the long term view and take the long view and treat all engagement in building systems as an opportunity for mutual learning
and insist that a full, personally attributable trail of provenance is maintained and recapitualted on conceptually clarifying inter personal Mind Graph to capture all associated learning
by capturint the intertwingularity of concepts as we seek to render them effective instead of redoing things we need to seek opportinities to resume work always in a state where the most advanced distilled understanding can be borught to mind as needed
Graphics does need updating Add Web 3 protocols based on DHTs protocols like IPFS, IPLD
So much to say here, no time
Web 3 brings Named Data Networks to the Web
Content addressability means that the Network is the Database, and in fact is the InterNet of Autonomous Ambient InterPersonal Intentional Software (as a conversation) and Symmathesy Mutual Learning
Actually Web 4 is that!
https://hyp.is/xFObQprCEeyEJ2VNolGuA/www.reddit.com/r/holochain/comments/n9glca/holochainvstheinternetcomputerprotocol/

how could communities share their learning
symmathesy across communities
If you get your conceptualization of the problem/task at hand right solutions will take of themselves.
Getting to such cooncepts is a matter of Symmathesy Mutual Learning
synthesizing thinking throught writing
and collaboration
mutual learning symmathesy

https://twitter.com/TrailMarks/status/1449991950690623490
The IndieVerse will do the job of people-sourcing a better maps of understanding the Web frontier by combining a people-centered autonomous spontaneously emergent InterPlanetary InterPersonal network connecting people via shared interests to ideas true Symmathesy
meta : and here is an example of annnotating the annotations
for : The Endless Frontier
of all Human endevour not just science but Life, the Universe and Everthing where Man IS the measure of Everthing
https://hyp.is/JecjXmx7EeyEj2Mvtq0ZjA/www.nsf.gov/od/lpa/nsf50/vbush1945.htm
The IndieVerse will do the job of people-sourcing a better maps of understanding the Web frontier by combining a people-centered autonomous spontaneously emergent InterPlanetary InterPersonal network connecting people via shared interests to ideas true Symmathesy
meta : and here is an example of annnotating the annotations
for : The Endless Frontier
of all Human endevour not just science but Life, the Universe and Everthing where Man IS the measure of Everthing
Human Progress
https://hyp.is/JecjXmx7EeyEj2Mvtq0ZjA/www.nsf.gov/od/lpa/nsf50/vbush1945.htm
not decontectualized nwutered, homogonized distorted claimed to be objective knowledge
https://hyp.is/nxIVuu4lEeuccMhMyrSeg/www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VHsrz0kfc
Collective problem solving

we need founders and funders whose sole agenda is to create, share the constellations that embody, by construction, core values of commons based peer production, extensibility, tinkerabality autnonomy of all participants to roll their own everything
makeit easy to emulate compelling to do.
Unenclosable, built from trust for trust.
Full provenance and dynamic shared symmathesy
creating a habitable world like LISP and SmallTalk and HyperCard is the wholly grail. Could it be done without landing with an image.
Can we have intentional transparency? Create software as a conversation. Symmathesy! I know it can be done.
Can it be done in a way that (re)presents ideas as evolution so that self-aware versions can be cultivated?
And of course make it born interopearble,

keybase://chat/complexweekend.public#explore-symmathesy/12

a fith scenario: The IndieVerse
Share P2P dynamics but Flip Netarchical Capital: give control over
value creators benefit first.
render boundaryless mobilization at scale possible
Symmathesy = Software/Knowledge Commons
the widom stack implements symmathesy
https://hypothes.is/a/uF6hPaYEeuEfvAXJ5DFg

I would venture to say Everything I care about is a conversation for Symmathesy mutual learning
Software is a conversation
What we need is the ability to
contextualize conversations in curated context associative complexes of ideas, knowledge for knowledge synthesis
and expand curated context with further conversations aimed at interpersonal knowledge synthesis and sharing
and of course everything gets two way meaningful/intentful two way links
symbolic unity
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the rapid learning network is implementing symmathesy
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evolution interrelationality parts and whole misleading
Nora Bateson mututla learning within living contexts
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"Symmathesy (Noun): An entity composed by contextual mutual learning through interaction. This process of interaction and mutual learning takes place in living entities at larger or smaller scales of symmathesy.
Symmathesy (Verb): to interact within multiple variables to produce a mutual learning context." (https://norabateson.wordpress.com/2015/11/03/symmathesy-a-word-in-progress/)
